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OU Aviation Faculty/Staff


We are very proud of our staff here at The University of Oklahoma. All are aviation professionals dedicated to safety and excellence. All of us feel fortunate to be part of a great program.

Program Director

Ken Carson

Ken completed his undergraduate degree and received his air force commission through ROTC at the University of Oklahoma in 1981. After attending pilot training he commanded peacetime, wartime and special operations missions in the WC-130 (weather reconnaissance) and C-5 (global heavy airlift). During these assignments Ken served as aircraft commander, instructor and flight examiner in varied squadron management and leadership positions to include ops director and commander. Ken also served in a multitude of staff and leadership positions at the operational wing and headquarters (Air Mobility Command, US Transportation Command and Dept of the Air Force air staff (pentagon) levels.  

Ken has over 4,400 international flying hours and holds FAA: CFI, AGI, commercial (single and multi engine) and instrument ratings. He has instructed extensively in the fields of aviation operational risk management, crew resource management, aviation safety, organizational total quality management (TQM), and global and regional logistics / supply chain transportation management.

Ken has a master's degree in aviation from Embry-Riddle and a master of strategic studies from the U.S. Army War College. He possess extensive professional military education and was certified as a joint (air, land, sea) staff officer and joint logistics transportation planner. Ken enjoys teaching, aviation and is an avid golfer. He volunteers a great amount of his weekends towards instructing and organizing junior golf events for the Oklahoma Golf Association and USGA.

Contact: Ken Carson



Aviation Associate Professor (Clarence E. Page)

Dr. Todd Hubbard

Todd is an Associate Professor and serves as the Clarence E. Page Professor. Dr. Hubbard earned his BA in History at Oklahoma State University and was commissioned into the USAF in May 1974 and retired from the USAF in 1995. During his USAF career he flew and commanded the KC-135, T-37 trainer, U-2, T1-A aircraft. He served as commander of Loring Maine's T-37 accelerated copilot enrichment program, twice commanded the 4402 reconnaissance squadron (provisional) at King Fahad Air Base, Taif, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and commanded the Services Squadron at Beale AFB CA. As a U-2 high altitude reconnaissance pilot he flew 60 missions on behalf of the President of the United States, the Secretary of Defense, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, the United Nations, foreign customers, and theater commanders in all worldwide regions. Dr. Hubbard flight experience includes nearly 2,000 hours in the KC-135 and T-37 and more than 1100 hours in the U-2R, TR-1A, and U-2C models of the high altitude reconnaissance aircraft from worldwide locations. Served as a Reconnaissance Staff Officer for NATO (1989-1992). As a Tactical/Evaluation observer pilot for NATO, flew missions in the RF-4C and F-16. Dr. Hubbard earned his MS from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University (international campus) in 1987. Following USAF retirement he worked as an instructional designer/programmer and E-3 AWACS simulation for the Boeing Company in Midwest City OK and was a contract instructional systems designer for the University of Oklahoma, building courseware for Federal Aviation Administration air traffic controllers at the Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center in Oklahoma City. Dr. Hubbard earned his Education doctorate from Oklahoma State University in May 2000. Dr. Hubbard served as an Associate Professor and the Clarence E. Page and program coordinator at Oklahoma State University until 2012 when he was selected as an Associate Professor and Clarence E. Page at the University of Oklahoma.

Contact: Todd Hubbard






Assistant Professor

Dr. Robert Dionne


Robert is an Assistant Professor in Aviation.  He holds a B.S. in Society and Technology (Transportation Management) from the State University of New York, a Masters in Aviation Management from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, and a Doctorate in Education from Oklahoma State University in Applied Educational Studies (Aviation and Space Science).


His work experience includes a number of years working for commuter airlines before moving to a major U.S. air carrier. He then transitioned to major aerospace manufacturing organizations where he worked in the program management office on airborne and ocean systems design, development, and manufacturing; management of 121 air carrier aircrew training systems operations, military aircrew training systems, and training systems logistics; and large-area networked communications systems. He was then assigned responsibility for an organization which covered a large geographical area with responsibility for the program management office, construction, implementation, and customer satisfaction of critical communications systems contracts.


Dr. Dionne holds a pilot’s license and airframe and powerplant license. He is a member of the Project Management Institute, and a life-long member of the Experimental Aircraft Association and the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association. His research interests include program management, organizational learning, and knowledge management in the aerospace industry. 

Contact: Robert Dionne





Assistant Professor


Dr. Steven Gullberg


Steve is an Assistant Professor of Aviation and Interdisciplinary Studies. He earned a Master of Liberal Studies degree from the University of Oklahoma and a Ph.D. in Astronomy from James Cook University

In high-school Steve was in Civil Air Patrol. Following high school he worked with ground services for a   new regional airline. He enlisted in the Navy and was later commissioned in the Army. He subsequently  transferred to the USAF/Air National Guard where he flew as a Weapon Systems Officer on F-4 Phantoms . Later he served as a Navigator on C-130 Hercules aircraft.  Steve also served as an Aircraft Maintenance Officer and a Wing Comptroller. After serving as Director of Region Reserve Forces he retired from the Air Force Reserve following a total of 32 years military service.

Steve flew as a primary flight instructor in Cessna and Piper aircraft and also served as a corporate pilot. He then flew as a regional airline pilot prior to joining Trans World Airlines (TWA) as a Second Officer/Flight Engineer. Steve was promoted to First Officer and Captain and holds an Airline Transport Pilot certificate with type-ratings on Boeing 727, 757, and 767 aircraft, Boeing/McDonnell-Douglas DC9/MD-80 aircraft, and Embraer-145 aircraft. He qualified for a Flight Engineer Turbojet certificate, serving on the Boeing 727 and the Lockheed L-1011. He also holds a Barbados Airline Transport Pilot Land certificate with a type-rating for Boeing/McDonnell-Douglas MD-80 aircraft. He has nearly 15,000 hours of flight experience. TWA asked Steve to serve as a Check Airman and Instructor Pilot on the MD-80, and he also served as Assistant Managing Director of Flight Operations Training, where he led an interdepartmental team to develop and introduce the first Computer Based Training (CBT) for the airline's MD-80 fleet. Steve additionally wrote TWA’s MD-80 Aircraft Flight Handbook section on navigation and in it introduced this aircraft’s Flight Management System (FMS) for the first time. Following American Airlines’ purchase of TWA, Steve served as a Captain for American as well. He is retired from American Airlines. Steve worked to add the MD-80 to another airline’s FAA operating certificate and trained its pilots to fly it. He then went on to work on start-up teams for the certification of two new airlines, one in the US and one in Barbados. Steve has served as Chief Check Airman, Director of Training, Chief Pilot, and Director of Flight Operations, where he hired and supervised pilots, flight attendants, dispatchers, and their managers.

OU’s College of Liberal Studies has awarded Steve its Superior Teaching Award twice and also its Faculty  Achievement Award. He has published internationally and is a member of the International Astronomical Union (IAU), the world-wide organization of astronomers that, among many other things, is responsible for having removed Pluto as a planet. His doctoral field expeditions included research nearly 15,000 feet above sea level in the Andes Mountains of Peru.


Contact: Dr. Steven Gullberg



Air Traffic-Controller Training Initiative (AT-CTI) Director

Stephen West

Steve has over 20 years of experience in the field of air traffic control.  Steve has worked in many types of facilities, including an En Route Air Traffic Control Center, Terminal Radar Approach Controls (TRACONs), and VFR Towers.  While with the FAA, Steve served as an EEO counselor in the Southwest Region. 

Steve has over nine years experience as an air traffic control instructor, subject matter expert, and supervisor at the FAA Academy in Oklahoma City.  He has been with the University of Oklahoma Aviation Department since Fall 2006, serving as an adjunct instructor prior to his selection as AT-CTI Director.

Steve has a degree in Administrative Leadership from the University of Oklahoma, graduating with distinction.  He enjoys educational pursuits, and considers himself to be a lifelong learner.  He also enjoys travel, road trips, music, cooking, and being outside when the weather is warm.

Contact: Stephen West


Chief Flight Instructor


David Lodes


David graduated from US Army Flight Training in 1974 and served 36 years in the US Army and US Army National Guard.  Served as PIC and Flight Instructor on OH-58, UH-1, AH-1, C-12 (King Air 200) and Sherpa (Shorts SD-3) and served two tours in Iraq in 2003 and 2005. After retiring in 2009, David continued his education at  The University of Oklahoma for four semesters obtaining CFI, and MEI certificates.

Flight experience includes Part 135 operations with EMS operators, General Aviation flight instruction and operations, US Army aviation including 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment affiliation, and flight instructor for Singapore Air Force.

David has accumulated in excess of 10,000 hour flight time in both fixed wing and rotorcraft.


Contact: David Lodes



Assistant Chief Flight Instructor

Bryce Bailey


Bryce graduated from OU in 2005 and earned his commission as a personnel officer through OU's Air Force ROTC program.  After his active duty tour in the USAF, Bryce returned to OU in 2010 to begin flight training and obtain his CFI.  Bryce joined the Aviation Department as a flight instructor in August 2013.  He holds an ATP certificate with EMB-145 type rating and is a CFI/CFII/MEI.  He holds a B.A. in International Studies, B.S. in Aviation, and Master of Human Relations, all from the University of Oklahoma.  Bryce was the Chief Ground Instructor February 2015 - March 2017.


Contact: Bryce Bailey



Adjunct Faculty


Marian Brown


Retired Academic Adviser OU Department of Aviation

Marian began her career with the University of Oklahoma in 1979 and retired from the University in May 2013.  Marian has a long history with OU beginning in 1979 with the Admissions Office and then University College as a Curriculum Advisor.  Upon completion of her Bachelor’s Degree she did recruiting with Prospective Student Services for 3 years and then spent 16 years with the OU Alumni Association assisting with alumni activities, the Black Alumni Societies and club scholarship programs.  After leaving the OU Alumni Association in 2005 and prior to becoming an Academic Counselor with the Aviation Department she was employed with Langston University - Oklahoma City Campus, Rehabilitation Counseling Graduate Programs Office as an Administrative Specialist.  While employed at OU Marian was a member of the Oklahoma Academic Advising Association (OACADA), NACADA (National Association), PACAA (Provost Advising Association), Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc, and a member of the board for Crossroads Youth and Family Services in Norman.  Marian obtained both her Bachelor of Science in 1984 and her Master of Human Relations in 1996 from the University of Oklahoma.




Jim Hamm


Retired Director OU, FAA ATC Contract and Director, OU FAA AT-CTI Program

Jim Hamm is a retired FAA Air Traffic Controller, supervisor and manager possess Commercial Pilot, Flight and Ground Instructor certificates and has over 45 years’ experience in Aviation, Air Traffic Control, and ATC Training. He is also a military veteran having served in the United States Air Force and holds an FAA Airframe & Power plant Mechanic certificate with Inspection Authorization. He holds a bachelor's degree in Business Administration with a concentration in Management, 1975, and a Masters in Human Relations from the University of Oklahoma in 2006.  Jim was an instructor, supervisor and manager of the OU FAA Academy contract from 1997 to 2008. Jim has been an Adjunct Professor since 2005 and served as OU Aviation AT-CTI Director and Professor from 2007 through 2010.  Jim retired from OU in 2010. Jim designed and developed OU’s Air Traffic Control curriculum and syllabi for the ATC minor and ATC concentration in Air Traffic Management.  OU’s program was submitted to the FAA and was accepted for OU to become as an Air Traffic College Training Initiative school (AT-CTI).




Sue Marshall


Retired Director OU, Career Services

Prior to joining the Aviation Department, Sue Marshall had 20 years of experience in career services.  Sue worked in the University’s Career Services office from 1982 to 2003, progressing from Counselor to Director.  In that capacity she was an active member and leader in state, regional, and national professional associations.  Sue joined the Aviation Department in 2003 where she developed and has co-taught the Career Development class.  She also teaches for University College where she received the 2011 Outstanding Instructor Award for a Freshman Seminar.  Sue earned Bachelor of Arts and Masters of Education degrees from Oklahoma City University.




Dave McClurkin


Retired OU Chief Flight Instructor; Department of Aviation; Retired USAF

As former Chief Flight Instructor for the OU Dept of Aviation for over 14 years Dave has extensive experience in FAA flight instruction and education.  Dave was a line and staff weather officer in the USAF for 21 years and during this career was an Aerial Weather Reconnaissance Officer on WC-130 typhoon reconnaissance mission in the Pacific flying over 1,000 flight hours and penetrating 75 typhoons for the DoD critical forecasting readiness for the Pacific Command.  Dave has his ATP Commercial privileges SE Land and CFI /CFII/MEI certificate ratings.  He has over 8,600 flight hours and over 5,200 flight instructor flight hours.  He holds a BA degree in Physics from Coe College and a MS in Systems Management from University of Southern California.  He attended USAF meteorology training at Texas A & M in 1975 is a graduate of the USAF Squadron Officer’s School and the USAF Air Command and Staff College.  Dave has taught Turbine Transition, CFI seminar, Aircraft Multi Engine courses for OU.  Dave retired from the University of Oklahoma in 2015 and became a senior adjunct aviation flight educator.




Dr. Dave Melton


“Dave” is an active Department of Defense air traffic controller.  He has 25 years of air traffic control experience four radar approach controls and four air traffic control towers both in the United States and in three foreign countries.  He currently serves as a Supervisory Air Traffic Controller at Tinker Air Force Base. Additionally, Dr. Melton is the Tower Simulation Systems administrator at Tinker as well, where he develops, designs and maintains training scenarios vital to a robust on-the-job training program, Dr. Melton has held nearly every air traffic control certification the United States Air Force offers.  He served as facility manager for Tinker Air Force Base control tower, Tuzla Air Traffic Control Tower, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kunsan Radar Approach Control, Republic of Korea, and Operations Superintendent for Tinker’s 34th Combat Communications Squadron.  Additionally, he has been Chief of Air Traffic Control Training and Standardization for two facilities.  Dr. Melton has graduated the USAF Terminal Instrument Procedures, and Military Airspace Management Courses.

Dr. Melton earned Summa Cum Laude honors at Southeastern Oklahoma State University where he earned his B.S. in Aviation Management in 2007.  He earned his M.S. in Aerospace Administration and Logistics through Southeastern Oklahoma State in 2008.  Finally, Dr. Melton earned his Doctorate of Education through Oklahoma State University in 2013.




Ann Pogson


Ann is a graduate of the University of Oklahoma with a Professional Mathematics degree.  Upon graduation, she began her flight training through the Aviation Department and completed all of her ratings from Private to CFII/MEI.  She was hired by the aviation department as a flight instructor/ground instructor and was later promoted to Assistant Chief Flight Instructor and then to Chief Flight Instructor.  After 10 years of employment at the Aviation Department, she was hired by America West Airlines as a Boeing 737 First Officer, currently known as American Airlines.  She has an ATP and Boeing 737 Type Rating.  She has accrued over 6000 flight hours in her 29 years of flying.  She currently is an adjunct instructor for the University of Oklahoma, teaching the Aviation History course.  She is an active member of the Ninety Nines International Women Pilot Organization and a member of Women In Aviation, both organizations are dedicated to promoting aviation and aviation education in our community.  She has had the pleasure of serving on the OU Aviation Industry Advisory Board since its inception.




Glenn Schaumburg


Retired Director OU, Department of Aviation; Retired USAF

As the former Director of the Aviation Department for over 17 years Mr. Schaumburg has extensive experience both in management and teaching.  He was an FAA computer testing course manager, and an FAA airmen certification representative.  Glenn has extensive experience in course ware development and served as a developer and subject matter expert in the contractor-developed aircrew and maintenance computer based training course ware for the Navy’s T-45 and the Air Force C-17 aircraft.  Performing for ACE Glenn has conducted numerous site visits at government, military and contractor locations.  He holds a BA degree in Zoology and Physiology from the University of Nebraska and a master’s degree in Human Relations from OU.  He is a retired USAF Lt. Colonel B-52 pilot with over 5,000 hours of flight time.  He has extensive leadership and management experience and held staff positions in both major command and numbered air force jobs.  He is a graduate of the USAF Squadron Officer’s School, the US Army’s Command and General Staff College, the Defense Management College, and the Air War College (by seminar).  Glenn taught courses while Director; Crew Resource Management, Aviation Law, and Aviation Safety.  At retirement he developed the Aviation Safety Course online and currently teaches it.




Walt Strong


Westheimer Airport, Airport Manager; Retired USAF

Currently Director of the University of Oklahoma’s Max Westheimer Airport in Norman, Walt has also served as Deputy Director of the Oklahoma Aeronautics Commission and twenty years in the US Air Force as an Air Traffic Controller in both Radar Approach Control and Control Tower facility’s.  Education includes a BA (Summa Cum Laude) from Southern Nazarene University in Human Resources Management, a MS from Oklahoma State University in Aviation and Phi Kappa Phi National Honor Society.  Walt was certified an Accredited Airport Executive (AAE) in 2006.  He is currently a member of the Board of Directors for the American Association of Airport Executives (AAAE), is Policy Board Chairman of the US Contract Tower Association (USCTA), a Past President for the South Central Chapter/AAAE and was President of the Oklahoma Airport Operators Association (OAOA) in 2005.  FAA certificates include Control Tower Operator and Private Pilot.




Dan Wacker


USAF Retired; Air Traffic Control

Daniel Wacker joined the University of Oklahoma Aviation Department in January 2012 as an Adjunct Instructor.  Daniel has over 20 years of experience in the Air Traffic Control career field.  Daniel retired from the United States Air Force (USAF) in 2011.  Daniel worked as a Radar Approach Controller, Radar Finals Controller, VFR Tower Controller, VFR Tower Watch Supervisor, Terminal Instrument Procedures Specialist (TERPS), Master Instructor and Superintendent of USAF TERPS Training. Daniel works as a contractor with Digital iBIZ supporting the FAA Flight Technologies and Procedures Division; Flight Procedures Branch.

Daniel earned an A.S. in Liberal Studies from Minnesota State University, A.S. in Airway Science and Instructor of Technology and Military Science from the Community College of the Air Force and a B.S. in Applied Science and Technology (Air Traffic Control) from Thomas Edison State College.




Anne Welther


Air Traffic Control

Anne Walther completed her undergraduate work at Valparaiso University, graduating with a B.S. in Biology.  She is a registered Medical Technologist, and worked for four years in Indiana hospital laboratories before joining the FAA in 1985.  She was an air traffic controller in Bloomington and Peoria Illinois, with positions as a Controller, Support Specialist, Operations Supervisor, and Air Traffic Manager.  In 2006, she moved to Oklahoma City and has since been employed at the FAA Academy as a Contract Instructor in the Tower domain.   In 2014, she graduated from Southeastern Oklahoma State University with a Master’s Degree in Aerospace Administration and Logistics.  She is also a certified paralegal and a State of Oklahoma Notary Public. 




Matt Esker


MAS, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University BS, Texas A&M University 

Matt is the program director of the Sooner Flight Academy (SFA), the Aviation department’s education outreach organization. The SFA’s mission is to inspire children ages 6-18 to become tomorrow’s leaders in aviation and in science, technology, engineering, and math. He completed his undergraduate degree in mathematics at Texas A&M University and was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the U.S. Air Force.

After completing pilot training at Vance AFB in Enid, OK, Esker commanded peacetime and wartime missions in the E-3 Sentry (Airborne Warning and Control System) as well as operational flight tests for the RQ-4A Global Hawk unmanned aerial system. He served as flight instructor and evaluator pilot as well as expeditionary director of operations. After leaving the Air Force, he served as First Officer for a Part 121 airline flying international charters and as a certified secondary mathematics teacher at an inner city high school.

Esker has 2,800 total flying hours and holds the following FAA ratings: multi-engine instructor, instrument instructor, multi-engine airline transport pilot, and single-engine commercial pilot. He teaches an introductory course on unmanned aircraft in the aviation department.

Esker is a member of the Airplane Owners and Pilots Association, the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics, and the Central Oklahoma Radio Control Society. He serves on both the Norman Chamber of Commerce Aviation and Education Committees. He is a second degree black belt in aikido and is an assistant instructor at his aikido school. Esker is also active in the Norman Public Schools Parent Teacher Association and serves on the Norman PTA Executive Committee.




Carla Murphy


Carla has 36 years experience in Private Pilot Ground School instruction.  Since 1979, Carla has taught Pvt. Pilot Ground/Intro. to Aviation at Oklahoma University, Rose State College, University of Central Oklahoma, and Midwest City High School, where she also taught World and U.S. histories.  Carla has developed and taught courses in Aviation History at both the high school and college levels.

Carla completed her undergraduate degree at University of Central Oklahoma in History Education and a Master’s degree in Aviation and Space Sciences at Oklahoma State University.

Carla enjoys working with students and at one time was a senior member of the Civil Air Patrol.  Along with her family, aviation is Carla's passion.




Academic Advisors


Coordinator of Aviation Undergraduate Programs

Shelly Ainsworth

Shelly joined the Aviation Undergraduate Programs Office in September 2005. She began her academic counseling career in the summer of 1998 where she served as an academic counselor in the Michael F. Price College of Business Undergraduate Programs Office for four years.

Prior to becoming an academic counselor, Shelly worked in a variety of capacities in the mental health field including: Americorps program coordinator for a state-wide child abuse prevention program, drug and alcohol educator/counselor, student assistance program manager for a number of schools in central Oklahoma, and juvenile shelter counselor. She earned a bachelor's degree from East Central University in human services counseling and a master’s in human relations from the University of Oklahoma. She is an active member of both the Oklahoma Academic Advising Association (OACADA) and the Provost's Advisory Committee on Academic Advising (PACAA).

Contact: Shelly Ainsworth
(405) 325-6033


Flight Instructors

Matthew Johnson

Nick Pugh

Scott Shackland

Mark Jeffreys

Craig Davidson

Dan Hopper

Chad White

Grant Mcintyre

Ryan Yoder

Matt Meadors

Grant Taylor

John Tonielli

Keisha Holback

Brighton McMinn

Anna Johnson

Michael Tonielli

Scott Lee

Administrative Assistants
Anita Williams, Office Manager
Rick Barton, Paige Bruce


Aircraft Maintenance

Mike Doshier

Robert Carroll
Travis Carson

John Nunley

Cassi Terry

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